Comments on: Stop Driving Your Car: Use it for a Petition http://ecoscraps.com/2008/05/09/stop-driving-your-car-use-it-for-a-petition/ A Scrapbook of the Green World Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:57:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Single Car Family: Surviving in the Suburbs with One Car http://ecoscraps.com/2008/05/09/stop-driving-your-car-use-it-for-a-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-53950 Single Car Family: Surviving in the Suburbs with One Car Wed, 09 Dec 2009 05:43:33 +0000 http://ecoscraps.com/2008/05/09/stop-driving-your-car-use-it-for-a-petition/#comment-53950 [...] be difficult living with one car when the kids get older. Still, I want to try, and this is one eco-battle/financial scrap I’m determined to win. Here are our arguments. What do you think my chances [...] [...] be difficult living with one car when the kids get older. Still, I want to try, and this is one eco-battle/financial scrap I’m determined to win. Here are our arguments. What do you think my chances [...]

]]> By: Josh http://ecoscraps.com/2008/05/09/stop-driving-your-car-use-it-for-a-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-1984 Josh Sat, 10 May 2008 17:42:59 +0000 http://ecoscraps.com/2008/05/09/stop-driving-your-car-use-it-for-a-petition/#comment-1984 This international competition as to who holds the eco-friendly moral high ground is counter-productive. There is no advantage to pitting one country against another, quoting environmental tidbits, and declaring that one is more environmentally at fault than the other. The environment, global warming, pollution, and all other aspects of conservation and ecology are a *global concern*. Smog doesn't respect international borders. Jingoistic and ethnocentric comments such as those comparing the future USA's, "smoldering, bankrupt pile of rusting rubble," to Canada's beauty and magnificence are equally unproductive. We cannot use ideology here to maintain nationalistic arguments, and frankly I would not trust anybody who seems to want to see the US as a smoldering, bankrupt pile of rusting rubble to lead the world forth into an ecologically sustainable future. Respect for one another's cultures, willingness to listen, and understanding of concerns and pre-existing hurt, not quibbling, will create an international alliance and sustain an environmental movement. What the designers of this 'petition' did is an extremely commendable act. I'm proud as a North American that there are people out there standing up against big oil and the car companies for a safer, more accessible, and cleaner future, and I would love to see similar things disseminating into the United States like... now! This international competition as to who holds the eco-friendly moral high ground is counter-productive. There is no advantage to pitting one country against another, quoting environmental tidbits, and declaring that one is more environmentally at fault than the other.
The environment, global warming, pollution, and all other aspects of conservation and ecology are a *global concern*. Smog doesn’t respect international borders.
Jingoistic and ethnocentric comments such as those comparing the future USA’s, “smoldering, bankrupt pile of rusting rubble,” to Canada’s beauty and magnificence are equally unproductive. We cannot use ideology here to maintain nationalistic arguments, and frankly I would not trust anybody who seems to want to see the US as a smoldering, bankrupt pile of rusting rubble to lead the world forth into an ecologically sustainable future. Respect for one another’s cultures, willingness to listen, and understanding of concerns and pre-existing hurt, not quibbling, will create an international alliance and sustain an environmental movement.
What the designers of this ‘petition’ did is an extremely commendable act. I’m proud as a North American that there are people out there standing up against big oil and the car companies for a safer, more accessible, and cleaner future, and I would love to see similar things disseminating into the United States like… now!

]]> By: Josh http://ecoscraps.com/2008/05/09/stop-driving-your-car-use-it-for-a-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-70386 Josh Sat, 10 May 2008 17:42:00 +0000 http://ecoscraps.com/2008/05/09/stop-driving-your-car-use-it-for-a-petition/#comment-70386 This international competition as to who holds the eco-friendly moral high ground is counter-productive. There is no advantage to pitting one country against another, quoting environmental tidbits, and declaring that one is more environmentally at fault than the other. The environment, global warming, pollution, and all other aspects of conservation and ecology are a *global concern*. Smog doesn't respect international borders. Jingoistic and ethnocentric comments such as those comparing the future USA's, "smoldering, bankrupt pile of rusting rubble," to Canada's beauty and magnificence are equally unproductive. We cannot use ideology here to maintain nationalistic arguments, and frankly I would not trust anybody who seems to want to see the US as a smoldering, bankrupt pile of rusting rubble to lead the world forth into an ecologically sustainable future. Respect for one another's cultures, willingness to listen, and understanding of concerns and pre-existing hurt, not quibbling, will create an international alliance and sustain an environmental movement. What the designers of this 'petition' did is an extremely commendable act. I'm proud as a North American that there are people out there standing up against big oil and the car companies for a safer, more accessible, and cleaner future, and I would love to see similar things disseminating into the United States like... now! This international competition as to who holds the eco-friendly moral high ground is counter-productive. There is no advantage to pitting one country against another, quoting environmental tidbits, and declaring that one is more environmentally at fault than the other.
The environment, global warming, pollution, and all other aspects of conservation and ecology are a *global concern*. Smog doesn’t respect international borders.
Jingoistic and ethnocentric comments such as those comparing the future USA’s, “smoldering, bankrupt pile of rusting rubble,” to Canada’s beauty and magnificence are equally unproductive. We cannot use ideology here to maintain nationalistic arguments, and frankly I would not trust anybody who seems to want to see the US as a smoldering, bankrupt pile of rusting rubble to lead the world forth into an ecologically sustainable future. Respect for one another’s cultures, willingness to listen, and understanding of concerns and pre-existing hurt, not quibbling, will create an international alliance and sustain an environmental movement.
What the designers of this ‘petition’ did is an extremely commendable act. I’m proud as a North American that there are people out there standing up against big oil and the car companies for a safer, more accessible, and cleaner future, and I would love to see similar things disseminating into the United States like… now!

]]> By: Willy http://ecoscraps.com/2008/05/09/stop-driving-your-car-use-it-for-a-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-1974 Willy Fri, 09 May 2008 23:37:47 +0000 http://ecoscraps.com/2008/05/09/stop-driving-your-car-use-it-for-a-petition/#comment-1974 Yeah and to all those people who don't have the opportunity to use public transit or bike, well they can just suck the eco-nazis off, right? These people can (pathetically) try, but the fact is, this world would not run without 90% of the things these people hate. Yeah and to all those people who don’t have the opportunity to use public transit or bike, well they can just suck the eco-nazis off, right? These people can (pathetically) try, but the fact is, this world would not run without 90% of the things these people hate.

]]> By: Willy http://ecoscraps.com/2008/05/09/stop-driving-your-car-use-it-for-a-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-70385 Willy Fri, 09 May 2008 23:37:00 +0000 http://ecoscraps.com/2008/05/09/stop-driving-your-car-use-it-for-a-petition/#comment-70385 Yeah and to all those people who don't have the opportunity to use public transit or bike, well they can just suck the eco-nazis off, right? These people can (pathetically) try, but the fact is, this world would not run without 90% of the things these people hate. Yeah and to all those people who don’t have the opportunity to use public transit or bike, well they can just suck the eco-nazis off, right? These people can (pathetically) try, but the fact is, this world would not run without 90% of the things these people hate.

]]> By: alex http://ecoscraps.com/2008/05/09/stop-driving-your-car-use-it-for-a-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-1973 alex Fri, 09 May 2008 21:36:52 +0000 http://ecoscraps.com/2008/05/09/stop-driving-your-car-use-it-for-a-petition/#comment-1973 Hey! Thanks for all the great info. I was browsing through a bunch of green websites and blogs and I came across yours and found it very interesting. There are a bunch of others I like too, like the daily green, ecorazzi and earthlab.com. I especially like EarthLab.com’s carbon calculator (http://www.earthlab.com/signupprofile/). I find it really easy to use (it doesn’t make me feel guilty after I take it). Are there any others you would recommend? Can you drop me a link to your favorites (let me know if they are the same as mine). Hey! Thanks for all the great info. I was browsing through a bunch of green websites and blogs and I came across yours and found it very interesting. There are a bunch of others I like too, like the daily green, ecorazzi and earthlab.com. I especially like EarthLab.com’s carbon calculator (http://www.earthlab.com/signupprofile/). I find it really easy to use (it doesn’t make me feel guilty after I take it). Are there any others you would recommend? Can you drop me a link to your favorites (let me know if they are the same as mine).

]]> By: alex http://ecoscraps.com/2008/05/09/stop-driving-your-car-use-it-for-a-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-70384 alex Fri, 09 May 2008 21:36:00 +0000 http://ecoscraps.com/2008/05/09/stop-driving-your-car-use-it-for-a-petition/#comment-70384 Hey! Thanks for all the great info. I was browsing through a bunch of green websites and blogs and I came across yours and found it very interesting. There are a bunch of others I like too, like the daily green, ecorazzi and earthlab.com. I especially like EarthLab.com’s carbon calculator (http://www.earthlab.com/signupprofile/). I find it really easy to use (it doesn’t make me feel guilty after I take it). Are there any others you would recommend? Can you drop me a link to your favorites (let me know if they are the same as mine). Hey! Thanks for all the great info. I was browsing through a bunch of green websites and blogs and I came across yours and found it very interesting. There are a bunch of others I like too, like the daily green, ecorazzi and earthlab.com. I especially like EarthLab.com’s carbon calculator (http://www.earthlab.com/signupprofile/). I find it really easy to use (it doesn’t make me feel guilty after I take it). Are there any others you would recommend? Can you drop me a link to your favorites (let me know if they are the same as mine).

]]> By: m http://ecoscraps.com/2008/05/09/stop-driving-your-car-use-it-for-a-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-1972 m Fri, 09 May 2008 20:22:22 +0000 http://ecoscraps.com/2008/05/09/stop-driving-your-car-use-it-for-a-petition/#comment-1972 Wow Uncle B thanks for setting me straight. Climb back in your igloo and stfu... Ontario is the US's trash dump. Hazardous waste imports from large industrial countries into neighbouring economically strained ones have been happening for years. For example between 1993 and 1998 United States exported 288,00 tonnes of toxic waste into Canada. The imports include everything from dry-cleaning chemicals to electronic equipment laced with toxic sub- stances. Despite promises of further change, Ontario still allows waste deemed too contaminated for US landfill sites to come north for disposal. Need more? The Ontario Medical Association estimates that breathing bad air kills about 1,800 people prematurely each year in Toronto alone. A recently released study suggests that per 2,000,000 people 1,000 city residents die annually from smog-related illnesses such as heart failure and pneumonia. As many as 5,500 more are admitted to hospi- tals. Yea but we don't buy GM! Sales of Government Lands: During the reporting period from 2003-2007, the Ontario Realty Corporation continued to sell public lands without carrying out required environmental studies. Many species in Ontario are heading toward extinction because of disruption of Ontario's ecosystems and reluctance by the Ministry of Natural Resources to infringe on landowner rights. I hope you get the picture. M Wow Uncle B thanks for setting me straight. Climb back in your igloo and stfu… Ontario is the US’s trash dump.

Hazardous waste imports from large industrial countries into neighbouring economically strained ones have been happening for years.
For example between 1993 and 1998 United States exported 288,00 tonnes of toxic waste into Canada. The
imports include everything from dry-cleaning chemicals to electronic equipment laced with toxic sub-
stances. Despite promises of further change, Ontario still allows waste deemed too contaminated for US
landfill sites to come north for disposal.

Need more?

The Ontario Medical Association estimates that breathing
bad air kills about 1,800 people prematurely
each year in Toronto alone. A recently
released study suggests that per
2,000,000 people 1,000 city residents
die annually from smog-related illnesses
such as heart failure and pneumonia. As
many as 5,500 more are admitted to hospi-
tals.

Yea but we don’t buy GM!

Sales of Government Lands: During the reporting period from 2003-2007, the Ontario Realty Corporation continued to sell public lands without carrying out required environmental studies.

Many species in Ontario are heading toward extinction because of disruption of Ontario’s ecosystems and reluctance by the Ministry of Natural Resources to infringe on landowner rights.

I hope you get the picture.

M

]]> By: m http://ecoscraps.com/2008/05/09/stop-driving-your-car-use-it-for-a-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-70383 m Fri, 09 May 2008 20:22:00 +0000 http://ecoscraps.com/2008/05/09/stop-driving-your-car-use-it-for-a-petition/#comment-70383 Wow Uncle B thanks for setting me straight. Climb back in your igloo and stfu... Ontario is the US's trash dump. Hazardous waste imports from large industrial countries into neighbouring economically strained ones have been happening for years. For example between 1993 and 1998 United States exported 288,00 tonnes of toxic waste into Canada. The imports include everything from dry-cleaning chemicals to electronic equipment laced with toxic sub- stances. Despite promises of further change, Ontario still allows waste deemed too contaminated for US landfill sites to come north for disposal. Need more? The Ontario Medical Association estimates that breathing bad air kills about 1,800 people prematurely each year in Toronto alone. A recently released study suggests that per 2,000,000 people 1,000 city residents die annually from smog-related illnesses such as heart failure and pneumonia. As many as 5,500 more are admitted to hospi- tals. Yea but we don't buy GM! Sales of Government Lands: During the reporting period from 2003-2007, the Ontario Realty Corporation continued to sell public lands without carrying out required environmental studies. Many species in Ontario are heading toward extinction because of disruption of Ontario's ecosystems and reluctance by the Ministry of Natural Resources to infringe on landowner rights. I hope you get the picture. M Wow Uncle B thanks for setting me straight. Climb back in your igloo and stfu… Ontario is the US’s trash dump.

Hazardous waste imports from large industrial countries into neighbouring economically strained ones have been happening for years.
For example between 1993 and 1998 United States exported 288,00 tonnes of toxic waste into Canada. The
imports include everything from dry-cleaning chemicals to electronic equipment laced with toxic sub-
stances. Despite promises of further change, Ontario still allows waste deemed too contaminated for US
landfill sites to come north for disposal.

Need more?

The Ontario Medical Association estimates that breathing
bad air kills about 1,800 people prematurely
each year in Toronto alone. A recently
released study suggests that per
2,000,000 people 1,000 city residents
die annually from smog-related illnesses
such as heart failure and pneumonia. As
many as 5,500 more are admitted to hospi-
tals.

Yea but we don’t buy GM!

Sales of Government Lands: During the reporting period from 2003-2007, the Ontario Realty Corporation continued to sell public lands without carrying out required environmental studies.

Many species in Ontario are heading toward extinction because of disruption of Ontario’s ecosystems and reluctance by the Ministry of Natural Resources to infringe on landowner rights.

I hope you get the picture.

M

]]> By: C http://ecoscraps.com/2008/05/09/stop-driving-your-car-use-it-for-a-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-1971 C Fri, 09 May 2008 19:29:21 +0000 http://ecoscraps.com/2008/05/09/stop-driving-your-car-use-it-for-a-petition/#comment-1971 Second place I've seen this garbage - and it remains, garbage. Second place I’ve seen this garbage – and it remains, garbage.

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